Mostly New 2008 Toyota Corolla Altis Finally Here! - Test Drive Report

TMT (Toyota Motors Thailand) has finally launched the new 2008 Altis in Thailand. The car was officially launched on 30/1/08, with launch "parties" going on at virtually every Toyota dealership. Today I test drove the car and would like to share my views with you. So, here it is:

What about the engines?

Ah, yes. The first point has to be about the engines. I'm going to cut straight to it here: they are the old engines. Yes, seemingly TMT find no reason to deliver the new Dual VVT-i engines employed in the Japanese and American markets. So, the new Altis has an ageing engine line-up, but apart from that, and the exterior door handles that seem to be taken straight off the Vios, the rest of it looks mostly new.

The 1.6 litre 3ZZ-FE and the 1.8 litre 1ZZ-FE units have power output of 109 hp and 132 hp respectively, both achieving this peek at 6,000 RPM. Both units now support E20, although this is not reflected in the pricing the way I'd hoped. For example the base model 1.6 J MT is now THB 709,000 which is THB 4,000 more than the outgoing model at THB 705,000! Considering that Toyota are enjoying a 5% tax reduction from the E20 support, it seems strange that the price needs to go up! But things improve as you move up the range, and the price tops out at THB 969,000 for the range topping 1.8 G.

Altis Interior

This morning I drove the Corolla Altis 1.8 G, which is the top-of-the-line Altis. I'm 184 cm so the first thing I noticed was the space, lots of it. The G spec includes a electric adjustable drivers seat, and after a few seconds fiddling around with the controls I was comfortably in a nice driving position. Looking around the interior there is not really a sense of quality, The plastics look much the same as the ones used in the Vigo truck! The fake wood trimmings at the base of the centre console and around the controls on the doors don't exactly add anything classy to the mix either. The impression is one of economy.

When you start playing with things, the impression doesn't improve. The switches and controls feel on-par with those from the base model Vios, or the Vigo truck mentioned before, and although this isn't to say that they are particularly bad, it is just that some of the competition is very strong in this area. If you are into tactile quality then you might find the Honda Civic will give you more pleasure for your money.

But, for the practically minded the new Altis shouldn't through up too many negative issues. There are some cup holders, and the controls are all well laid out. It doesn't take very long to get comfortable and the audio equipment is very simple to operate. And everything feels very well put together, despite the low-grade materials.

The steering wheel looks similar to the one from the Camry, with four spokes, and includes audio controls. Looking though it, the dials are very clear. Actually, I think they are just about spot on, with large self-illuminating digits surrounding conventionally sized radial speedometer and rev-counter. The illumination was always perfectly set for the lighting conditions. Again, there isn't anything particularly grand about the way this is implemented, but it is good.

Two small LCD displays are inset, one in each dial. On the right is a standard odometer with trip counter function, while the one on the left shows you if a door hasn't been shut, and has a very nicely implemented real-time fuel consumption indicator. Both of these displays are backlit in amber, and are also very clear and easy to read. Functions are selected with a little stalk button next to each of the displays.

The 1.8 G also includes cruise control which is operated via a stalk control which is attached to the steering wheel and rotates with the wheel.

Unlike the high end Civic, the Altis doesn't include steering wheel paddle shift for the gear changes. Manual shifting is available by nudging the gear leaver from drive to the right into sequential mode, with subsequent forward movements resulting in up-shifts, and backwards for down-shifts. This works very smoothly in operation, and I personally prefer this implementation. It is just strange that the Altis is still only using a 4-speed transmission, when the Civic has a 5-speed box.

I found the seating comfortable, although rear seats suffer the same reduction in headroom experienced in the Vios. Sitting back my head was within a few millimetres of the roof. Although it didn't cause any discomfort while stationary, I can imagine that a bump in the road would result in my head hitting the ceiling. Okay, so this isn't as bad as the Vios, but I was expecting there to be at least as much headroom as in the outgoing Altis, which has plenty.

Otherwise the Altis feels roomy and spacious. The floor in the back is virtually flat, so middle seat passengers will have less to complain about. And they will also benefit from a 3-point seat belt.

The boot is also spacious, and thanks to the use of a Torsion Beam in the rear suspension, wheel arch intrusions into the boot are kept to a minimum. On the 1.8 litre models there is the inclusion of a 60:40 folding rear seat. This should really have been included across the range.

Driving the Altis

I've been making quite a big deal about Toyota choosing to retain the old engines in the new Altis. Obviously I would have been much happier with the Dual VVT-i units, but just how bad are the VVT-i engines? Well, the 1.8 I drove was as sweat a unit as you could hope for.

At idle the engine is all but silent. Power is ample for this car, and although I didn't clock the acceleration (such things don't really matter to me) I was happy with the throttle response. The automatic box shifts smoothly too.

Previously I'd been driving a Chevrolet Optra, and there is simply no sense in comparing these cars. But I will anyway. To be perfectly and blatantly straight about it, the Toyota is so far ahead in terms of refinement it is simply not funny. In the Optra, pressing down on the accelerator in the hope of more speed would usually result in a lot of engine noise, and very little in the way of power. The Altis never felt underpowered, and even when I played with the sequential box and tried to make it break a sweat.

The Civic might have more power in its 140 hp 1.8 litre, but I think you would be hard pressed to notice that extra 8 hp, and the refinement in the Altis is impressive.

Taking my attention away from the engine for a while, I started to critically assess the ride quality. Again I'm impressed. The new Altis deals with bumps and potholes very well, and although there is the initial impression that the ride is soft, this doesn't result in any of the usual negative side effects. The car settles quickly after a bump, and deals with minor bumps very well. You feel them, but they don't bother you. Although I didn't spend an extended time in the car, I feel confident to say that it will make a very comfortable vehicle for long trips.

The handling is also very nice. Toyota claim that it beats the Civic here, and even have little side by side charts showing the characteristics of each car. You'd probably need to be a race driver to notice the difference here, but I was very happy with the manners of the Altis when taking corners.

The steering is Electric, which saves fuel and means that you can turn the wheels with a minimum of effort. It is popular for some motor journalists to complain about this technology, and they claim that it has taken away from the driving experience, removing the feeling of connection between the driver and the road. Em.... I like it. The Altis is easy to drive, and goes where you point it. It is very good.

The new Altis has new brakes too, and now all four wheels have discs. And again, these feel good and according to Toyota, the Altis will stop sooner than the Civic. ABS, EBD and BA are included in all models except the base 1.6 J AT and 1.6 J MT models. The 1.8 G also includes VSC (Vehicle Stability Control) and Traction Control. And there is a large button to turn VSC off if you want to pretend you are Jeremy Clarkson!

Range and features

There are a total of 7 cars in the range, going from the base model 1.6 J MT, through to the 1.8 G. The safety conscious among us can ignore the 1.6 J and 1.6 E versions which lack Airbags. The 1.6 G, 1.8 E and I.8 G include dual airbags, and ABS, EBD and BA, which are also present in the 1.6 E.

Standard features across the range include 3-point seat belts for all passengers (finally), LED brake lights, Multi Information Display (MID), Electronic Power Steering, and disc brakes all round.

Conclusions

Toyota has done it again. The Altis is a great car. Boring? Yes. But if you are like me, you've reached the stage in life where boring is sometimes a good thing. I think exciting cars are great, but I want to pay for and own a boring car. One that always starts when I turn the key, and always goes until I turn the key the other way. I want boring brakes that always do what I tell them, and I want so many safety features and stability systems so that I don't have to worry about having a skid even though I am driving too slow for that anyway.

The Toyota Corolla Altis is boring, in all the ways that it is good to be boring. The styling is a little more daring than it needed to be, but still errs on the side of conservative.

Then again, if you are looking for something exciting then you wouldn't have started reading this article in the first place.

There are so many good reasons to recommend this car, and I could have written most of them before it was released. It is good value for money in the Thai market where very few cars offer that. The range topper is very well appointed to come in under THB 1 million. Running costs will be low, and fuel economy will be good. This is something you can take for granted, as do 99.9% of taxi drivers in Thailand.

Before I test drove the Altis I took the new Honda Accord out for a drive. I just wrote a report on it too and...... I prefer the Altis. I don't want you to misunderstand what I mean here. I am not just saying that given the choice, all things considered, I would go for the Altis because it is better value. What I mean is that if you were going to give me one of the two, and I didn't have to pay for it, the Altis would be my choice.

This 2008 Corolla Altis Review is, like all car reviews, simply personal opinion. Naturally you shouldn't base any purchasing decision on what you read on the internet!

But... if you are in the market for a medium sized family car, don't avoid the Altis!

Update : Toyota Motors Thailand haven't updated their website yet with details of the new Corolla Altis. So, I've taken the liberty of translating the specification sheet to English. Click here to view the specifications for the Thailand Toyota Corolla Altis.


Comparison between Manila's new Altis

Hi Peter,

Great writeup. However, I don't understand why Manila's altis is imported from thailand, but the people there are giving great comments on the interior soft plastics...

Refer to http://www.bigbigcar.com/FeatureArticle.aspx?id=8
and forum:
http://bigbigcar.com/boards/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=814
Quote
"The Corolla, thankfully, bucks the new-car trend of using cheap plastic to save costs, and is covered in all-new soft-touch plastics from stem to stern. Hallelujah! Fit and finish is good, glovebox and cupholder lids have a satisfyingly substantial feel."

do you mean the interior plastic(especially door panels)does not used to be similar with the old altis?

this is my main concern because i really hate the new vios interior plastic which is cheap and brittle. And you are saying this new altis is feels like interior vios plastic...

not brittle.... but cheap

Hi,

The plastic on the door panels is not the problem, I was saying that the fake wood looks cheap. Personally I just don't like fake wood trimmings, especially when they so obviously look like and feel like plastic.

But also, the interior plastics are not soft-touch. I wouldn't say they feel brittle, but they do feel hard to the touch. The door panels do have some soft feel to them, but the dash, console etc. ... I would say the Vios is about the same. I think you'd have to go and check it out yourself to know if you are going to be happy with it or not. To me the quality of the plastics, and the general feel of things, the way doors to the stowage compartments open, the way the air vents adjust, and other things like that just feel so much better on the Civic.

But there is more to a car than this, and I think the Altis is a better car overall.

Worried pre-booker

Thanks for the quick reply!!
I am from Malaysia and booked the car already. Hence I am worried. The interior soft touch of old altis is the only factor stopping me from buying the civic...hmmm. maybe Toyota thailand export better quality material cars out. Yeah. never liked the old altis cheap wood panels too.

One more quote:
"On the right is a standard odometer with trip counter function, while the one on the left shows you if a door hasn't been shut, and has a very nicely implemented real-time fuel consumption indicator."
So how many info mode can you toggle through? normal km/L and Trip A/B only?

You failed to mention about many variants of spec for new altis in thailand. care to elaborate? i tried to find into from toyota.co.th but seems like nobody updating it.

If you've already booked... don't worry

You've booked a very good car, and you'll be happy with it. It does look like there are some differences with the models in the Philippines. For example, the top spec model there has side airbags for the driver, missing from the Thai model, also the steering wheel has fake wood on it over there... Thankfully not here in Thailand!

You could be right about the differences in specification to different markets, but I expect that the plastics would be much the same.

>> So how many info mode can you toggle through? normal km/L and Trip A/B only?

From memory you could check km/l (or l/100 km), average consumption, distance remaining (based on average usage and fuel remaining), and ambient temperature. The Trip A/B are on the other side in the odometer.

As for the specification levels, as I said there are 7! So I'll go in reverse order starting with the top spec and let you know what you loose out on by going down the model range:

  • 1.8 G - Top of the range available here (as tested). Fully loaded.
  • 1.8 E - This model loses the VSC and TRC, Cruise Control, and the electric drivers seat adjustment and HID headlamps, and automatic windscreen wipers.
  • 1.6 G - Here the engine drops to 1.6 (obviously enough), and it looses split folding rear seats, has single CD audio system (1.8 has 6 CD changer) with 4 speakers (1.8 has 6). Also looses the self illuminating Optitron dials, the Theft Deterrent System, Sequential Gear Change mode is also gone. Bye bye also to : fog lamps, fold down arm rest with cup holders in the rear, and automatic headlights.
  • 1.6 E A/T - As 1.6 G but looses airbags, seatbelt pretensioners.
  • 1.6 E M/T - As above but with a 5-speed manual transmission.
  • 1.6 J A/T - Don't even go here. No airbags is bad enough, now we lose the ABS, EBD and BA. Also gone is the engine immobilizer, and the side skirts.
  • 1.6 J M/T - As above but with a 5-speed manual transmission.

These are the main features that you lose as you go down the grade levels. I'm sure Toyota Motors Thailand will update the website soon. In the mean time, if you need more information, you can feel free to ask here.

Really excellent and detailed reply :)

i will post ur test drive writup link in forums in like i always did ;)

i bet u must be having the brochure in front of u, or else u have photographic memory!

any way of getting an online e-brochure? he he.

Keep reloading Toyota.co.th

Glad to help. And thank you for sharing the links on forums!

Well.. I do have the brochure, but it is in Thai. I think if you can wait a day or two Toyota should not take too long about updating their website. I am surprised that they didn't have it ready in time for the launch. When is the car due in Malaysia?

More questions!

No problem! Had always frequent and liked your blog.

I am driving a vios btw, so why you know how i hate the plastic so much, especially the new model vios plastics.

Launching here March. go to www.toyota.com.my to see teaser ;) Import from thailand, so QC will be better than local assembled Civic. :D

3 more questions!
1) Manila have the auto-leveling headlamp when you make a turn. Thailand spec have tat?
2) Last batch of old altis have auto rain sensor wiper and auto headlamp on detector when it's dark. so does this new altis have?
3) how's the fabric in low spec? feels cheap? any leather seats for 1.8G?
for both 2) and 3), the last batch of old altis already have those. if new altis don't have, they should change their slogan to 'Moving Backwards' :P

More Answers

1) According to a recent Bangkok Post newspaper article it would have this feature, but there is no sign of it here in Thailand.

2) Yes, the top spec 1.8 G has these features.

3) I only looked at the 1.8 G, the car is just launched and availability is still limited. The 1.8 G has leather seats and they are comfortable, although no real leather. The quality is okay though. The 1.8 E and 1.6 G also have leather, but the 1.6 E and 1.6 J are cloth, and I imagine this will be of a higher standard than the Vios.

I think the decision to stay with the old engines shows a lack of "Moving Forward", but I wouldn't say this car is a step backwards.

Steering wheel buttons

Peter,
According to this pic:
http://bkkautos.com/files/2008_altis_cruise_control.jpg

Is the Display mode change button also included on the steering wheel?

Haha. We malaysia will definitely not have the cruise control for Altis. Thailand always have better specs.

If there is , Camry will not sell here ;)

Specifications

Hi again,

Yes, as you say the specification might be different for the Malaysian Alits. I've just uploaded the spec sheet so you can have a look at the Thai model specifications.

wao! you have done it again!

I hope Toyota thailand will hire you to update their webpage instead ;)

a) Not car related question: how to make the replies not indent to the right? no more space to reply your blog. He he!

After seeing the specs provided by you, i have more questions/comments (blush):
1) 132hp? weird number. even philippines have only 130hp
2) lower spec have the name badge lettering reduced shorter to only Corolla. Altis word cost too much. LoL!
3) HID (Adjustable) = light will follow direction your car turn???
4) Windscreen wipers (automatic) = rain sensor?
5) Rear window sunshade = rear curtains that you can pull down?

sorry for so many questions. age catching up on me. hence prefer corolla over civic. somemore prebooked. He he.

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As for your questions, 3 of them have been answered already (see the post below).

1) 132 hp is the number Toyota Motors Thailand are using.
2) I think they did this before too. Actually there will be a third badge later this year or early next year with "LIMO" on it, for the taxi meter version. I think that they drop "Altis" from the lower models to try and push buyers to the higher spec models. Yes... in Thailand people pay a lot of attention to the badge.

5) In the 1.8 G only, and this is a large blind that you pull up in the rear window. (Not the side windows.)

i hv also test driven 2-3

i hv also test driven 2-3 over the weekend...
3. HID adjustable... not auto-adjustable... there is a sneaky button to do it.
4. rain sensor... in 1.8G
5. yes... its that pull down curtain.

this new altis lost something.... like dvd-player and the car-reverse camera...

so if u look at it being E20 reduced the price by 30k baht.. and removing dvd-player/reverse camera saved another 20k on 1.8G model...

peter...
to add to it... i'm slightly pissed off by reputed car dealers in bkk(toyota bangna to be precise). i made a booking for last model with good discount and accessories... with the booking amt paid and delivery date worked out.. but they sold the car (they had only one in stock) ..without even asking me first... and i'm stuck with the loans i've taken from my company and paying interest on it... worked out all the bank finance papers also..and now tell me to go away and get what is available.. i feel in thailand ppl don't honour their words.. spoken as well as written.

Sunish.

Yikes

Having lived in Thailand for many years I will say that I know many Thai people who do honour their contracts and keep their promises. But the story you tell is also common. Maybe somebody else simply didn't drive as hard a bargain as you did. :-|

I have had problems with Chevrolet Thailand, as have some others that I know. But I also had problems with car companies (car sales people!) in Ireland. Not defending Toyota, or Thailand here, but I just always try to allow for the "human" element. Have you tried going into Toyota Bangna with all your documents and demanding the car that you booked?

As for the test drives, you say that you tested 2 or 3, did you take out the 1.6? If so how was it?

At last

at last www.toyota.co.th has been updated with new Altis webpage. Actually whole Thailand Toyota webpage has been redesigned.

Peter,
I noticed something has been downgraded from the pics. Previous altis used to have cromium(shiny metallic) exterior door handles. Now it is body color coded. is tat true?

How about front grill? Is it cromium?

Yes to all...

Yes, the door handles match the body colour, but I wouldn't call that a downgrade. I am sure you can get that as an extra item if you really want it though.

The front grill is chromium on the 1.8 G.

Altis gear box

Quota"
"This works very smoothly in operation, and I personally prefer this implementation. It is just strange that the Altis is still only using a 4-speed transmission, when the Civic has a 5-speed box."

Hi Peter,
1. just wonder what is you opinon as all the competitor like civic is using a 5 speed trasmission and lancer having 7 speed CVT trasmission, a brand new engine and paddle shif? do you think civic or lancer will be more value for money?
2. would you think that with 5/7 speed it will benefit a lot when acceration (faster), high speed (lower RPM) better feul consumption? and even more smooth?
thank
3. as all the competitor is steping forward, and toyota is remaind it will show they are step backward?

Hi Edmand, I'll try to

Hi Edmand,

I'll try to answer your questions:

1. Value for money is not something that is easily measured. I understand what you are saying with relation to the number of gears available being greater, but there are so many factors that make the Altis "good value for money". One is the resale value here in Thailand. But resale value isn't always the first concern. The current Lancer here in Thailand is very old and due a replacement, but we are still at least a year away from that! Also the Lancer will loose value very quickly in this market.

The Honda does have an extra gear, and when you compare like for like (1.8 v 1.8) the Honda is competitive on price also. But the Altis is more spacious, and arguably more comfortable.

2. Well.. here is where things start to get complicated. Theory would tell us that more gears = smoother acceleration. With the CVT, there is completely smooth gear adjustment, since it is not really gears that are changing, just ratio changes between two sides of a belt. CVT has the edge when it comes to smooth power delivery. CVT also leads to better fuel consumption as the transmission system can keep the engine revving in its optimum torque band throughout the acceleration process. And it also allows for lower RPM at high speed. In actually fact, a CVT transmission doesn't have gears, although in the Jazz and Lancer, there are set ratios allowing for the 7 speed modes. In reality you could set up 10 or 14 or whatever speeds with CVT.

But CVT isn't necessarily the answer. There have been many reports of both the Jazz and City experiencing problems with their transmissions, and the new Jazz (due in Thailand very soon) is rumoured to be returning to a conventional, albeit a 5-speed, automatic transmission.

As for more gears being better.... I wouldn't say that the difference would be all that great. From 0-120 km/h probably no real difference. The only difference would be that the 5 speed box will have to make one extra gear change, but will settle down with lower revs at the limit.

3. This is a valid point. Toyota really should have raised the bar with the new Corolla by offering Dual VVT-i and at least matching Honda with a 5-speed automatic transmission. But the surprise is that the Corolla doesn't feel a step backward. I would recommend that you test drive this car if you are considering the Lancer or Civic. See if you can notice any difference in smoothness between the cars. In my judgement the Altis is smoother than the Accord!

Perhaps Toyota will wait for the mid-life upgrade and then make some major changes, but they might well rely on this tried and tested engine/transmission for the next 6 years.

I don't think so..

Hi Peter,

I'm back :) In the history of Toyota Malaysia selling toyota cars, never have they once change the engine during facelifts(=midlife upgrades?). Unless they come out with a complete new model, only then do they change engine. Not sure if this is also true in Thailand in the past.

And knowing Toyota which have being selling the 9th gen corolla for the past 7 years (!), I don't think they will change to new model so soon. You can call them stubborn or arrogant, as long as it sells well, the model will remain. Unless it is a complete flop, like previous accord, only then they will change model within 2 yrs ;)

What do you think?

I think you're right...

but they do have the Dual VVT-i engines and could introduce them at a later stage. The current engines are 7 years old, and if they run this car for another 7, don't you think that 14 years is too long for an engine to remain the same?

But you are probably right. And this will not be a flop.

differences

Malaysia launching. official specs from salesman.

too many to type.

good news: dashboard material soft like camry's !! door handle chrome (1.8G only)

bad news: no HID, no rain sensor wiper, door panel plastic same as thailand's, not soft to touch :(

so what is the spec? in

so what is the spec? in malaysia
still the old engine? and 4 speed gear box?

3 specs. 1.6E, 1.8E,

3 specs. 1.6E, 1.8E, 1.8G

Look at this post:

http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum link to post

[edited by peter - made link active to shorten the post]

which to choice?

Is it the same old engine and 4 spped gear box.?
in fact, i just like your guy looking an alternative car?
With in my budgeded range i am looking in to

1. lancer 2.0 GT. (in fact book already) but consedering to cancel the booking.
good - CBU from Japan, CVT 7 speed, Full nippa leather sit and very atracktive out look! paddle shif, 18 inch sport rim.
Bad - Long waiting list(booked on august 07 and been inform only get may car at august 08, price is going to increase 7k RM, not secordhand value, poor service form Mitsubishi malaysia!!!always giving wrong information and not trasparent for all information(the waiting list) lot of people jump Q)

2. Honda civic 2.0.
Good - moden look, many features (5 speed auto, paddle shif, HID, Leather sit, 4 air bag, trasion contol and cuise control.)
Bad - reliable issue, and small head room for back passegers.

3. Toyota altis
good - reliable brand, high second hand value.
Bad - 1.8 old engine(as all other is 2.0), and 4 speed suto gear box. (since the trande is going to 5 spped auto),

and three of this is at RM 115-128k.

so what do you guy think?

hmm i think the most

hmm i think the most important thing rest in how do you really drive your car? =))
Do you need to drive a lot with your famlily, friends etc?
Where do you usually drive them?
Are you sharing your car with someone else?
Are you into safety rides or power rides?
and others....

DIfferent Altis Everywhere

As compared to Malaysia and Thailand, the singapore 1.8 (not yet cfm which trim level
-_-, but i believe its the 1.8G) is as follow:
HID
Auto Rain Sensor
Sequential Gear Shift
Leather Seats
Back Sensor
Climate Control Air Condition
2xAirbag
ABS,BA,EBD
8 way power seat
Optitron Meter
Audio Steering Switches with MID
6-Way Speakers
195/65 R15 Wheels

Feature NOT confirm:
VSC, TRC
Wood Trimming
Chrome handle and front grill
6 Discs Audio System

The sales person cannot confirm on quite some stuff coz he said he hvnt even seen the car yet LOL

Malaysia? spec

For malaysia i think:
due to the cost factor and toyota want to get max profit!!!

X HID X starting form feb 08 banned by government so toyota can safe cost!
X Auto Rain Sensor X too costly
X Sequential Gear Shift X not important
X Leather Seats x weather not suitable
- Back Sensor - i think should have
X Climate Control Air Condition X charge to manual button (cost)
- 2xAirbag - basic
- ABS,BA,EBD - basic
X 8 way power seat - Not until face lift
- Optitron Meter - should be since vios got it
(but i observed Taiwan are using a much better one, it have bigger LCD display in the meter and look much high tech!!!with yellow light. i really hope we can get it, but i think will be the same as thailand )
- Audio Steering Switches with MID - sould have since vios also got it!
? 6-Way Speakers - may be 4 way
- 195/65 R15 Wheels- basic

- VSC, TRC - should be since the old altis they also have the VSC for the 1.8G
- Wood Trimming - ya should have, personally i prefer the fiber looking type, like lancer or civic more high tech and younger feel. but i don't know why toyota like to use the wood trimming that look so plastic!!! better don't put it it!!
- Chrome handle and front grill - should have
- 6 Discs Audio System - should have.

For malaysian normally we need to pay higher price with less features!!!
and this is the trend! and all people still buying as long as the toyota brand is stick on the bonnet!!!

edmand, why are you still guessing?

the actual malaysian spec altis is already available in shah alam toyota HQ. Training already provided to all UMW salesman.

HID - will never have. even when throwing stock
auto rain sensor - ya. cut cost. crap
sequential shift - confirm 1.8G have
leather seat - wait until facelift/throw stock/free lcd? :D
back sensor - confirmed have, with 4 sensors too!
front sensor - now this is real useful! 2 sensor, can turn off too!
climate control - confirmed have in 1.8G
2xairbag, ABD,EBD, - usual. have across all spec
8 way power seat - confirm 1.8 have. with power lumbar support
optitron - only 1.8G(wat??!) have. yeah. same as thai design. maybe china complain not practical/hard to read numbers?
audio steering and MID switch - only 1.8G have
6 speaker - again only 1.8G. the rest 4 speaker
205/55 R16 - 1.8E and G. | 195/65 R15 - 1.6E
VSC , TRC - confirm only 1.8G have
chrome handle and side door protect - only 1.8G.
chrome front grill - confirm 1.8G have. 1.8E i cannot recall
6 disc changer - only 1.8G (wat??!)
ya. wood trim is lousy and unclish

so noman, how about the

so noman,
how about the engine and gear box?
same with the old model?
any idea about the price?

same as thailand

4 gears. single VVT-i. Old engine.
Price only known beginning of march

Paging Peter

Are you able to collect any data on the sales of the new altis? is it good response? did it overtake civic 1.8 in turn of monthly sale?
anywhere you can search in Thai newspaper webpages?

Your feedback is very much appreciate. Thank you!

p/s: is there anywhere i can directly post questions to you?

Still early days for any

Still early days for any sales data, but I'll keep a watch out for it. I do know that I am seeing more and more of the new Altis on the road, so they must be selling well. I suppose the February sales will show exactly how well the Altis does.

I did have a contact form set up at one point, but nobody used it. That was a way for people to contact me (and each other) directly. But I'll set it up again in the next few days if I get a chance.

I'll be sure to post any sales details on the Altis when know more.

Altis vs Civic

Dear Peter,

1. just wonder do you have the gear ratio compare for the civic and altis?
2. As we know that for altis's 4 gear is for over drive as other, but i saw some of the wed site mention for civic's 4 and 5 gear both is using for over drive only? and expecially the 5 gear? which is seldom be use. so what is your opinion?

3. did altis is using timing belt or timing chain?
4. which would you choose between this 2?

Gears and Chains

Hi Edmand,

1. No I don't but I'll try to get it.
2. The main advantage of the 5th gear is that revs can be lowered at higher speeds, reducing engine noise, and improving fuel consumption. But, for general town driving, I would argue that there is little advantage to the extra gear, and I've seen some suggestions that it could actually lead to more fuel usage due to more gear searching.
3. Timing chain.
4. Between timing belt and timing chain? Or between Altis and Civic? I'll answer both questions since I'm not sure.

The timing chain is cool, because belts need replacing, so I'd rather have the chain.

Between the Altis and Civic, I would choose the Altis. I have stated some of my reasons in the article, and subsequent posts (see above) but .... eventually it comes down to personal preference. The Civic is a good car, so is the Altis, but Honda and Toyota have taken quite different directions in the design and implementation of each car. While Honda have produced a driver oriented car, assuming that drivers want to have sharp steering and a solid ride, Toyota have aimed to make a comfortable car, arguably creating an uninteresting drive in the process. Perhaps a necessary trade off?

Test drive them both and decide which one fits you best.

price range

Seeing Thai's 1.8E and 1.8G is 899,000 and 969,000 respectively, difference is 70,000 baht.

but in Malaysia, the price difference for 1.8E and G is 10,000! (100,000 baht). wonder what toyota here is up to.

Launching 14th march
1.8: RM109,900 - Rm120,250

price range

so did you confim what is the difference between the E and G spec?
in malaysia?

No but..

I will post the info as soon as I have it.

since this post is so active. you might wanna sticky this thread...

Official prices out

1.8G(s): RM 120,250
1.8G: RM117,900
1.8E(s): RM 112,250
1.8E: RM109,900
1.6: RM102,900

*(s): with bodykit

How much are they charging for just the bodykit in Thailand?

Thanks for the sticky ;)

Body kit

The Thai model 1.8G has side skirts only, no front or rear trims. There currently isn't a 1.8G(s) model here.

No problem with the sticky. I'll leave this here until something better comes along.

As today i went to see the

As today i went to see the car already and already place my booking, side skirt, front trim, rear trim and rear trunk spoiler are concider optional the test drive car have it fitted in but they ask me do i want those,i tell them rather not Lol the car already low enough i dont want to spend extra to replace them after hiting our Malaysia sleeping police.

At my place there already buffer for early bird pre order as the color Medium Silver which i prefer was already toke by someone i'll be wait for another 2 weeks for my car to arrive otherwise i can toke other color if needed on the sport there are total 5 color to choose which is Charcol Black, Silver, Medium Silver, Biege Metalic and Greyish Blue.

As i notice that all model come with Solar Security film so no need to waste my money for Vkool and the Malaysia model doesn't come with Cruse control as what the salesman told me cos we are unable to get in to the car as its lock today.

what do you means the

what do you means the Malaysia model doesn't come with Cruse control as what the salesman told me cos we are unable to get in to the car as its lock today.?
anything to do with the cruse control and lock?
or 2 separate issue.?
so did you have a test drive?

I went to Toyota yesterday

I went to Toyota yesterday late evening to see and book the car. We dont have the key to get into the car during the time as such i ask the salesman that the particuler model of 1.8G does it come with Cruse control as the salesman mention that it might not have cos we cant see that the cruse control while we peek from the driver side windows as it quite dark already neat 7:30pm by that time. Does anyone can confirm that cos i know that the Thai model does come with Cruse control.

no way!

i can confrim no way malaysia model have cruise control for 1.8G like our lucky thailand neighbour ;)

i know coz i have the brochure and spec right in front of me.

ya. medium silver is a very famous color especially for camry. i booked this color too!

That's confirm it.

Well atleast that confirm no Cruse Control for new Altis as only the Camry 2.4 is the only model come with Cruse control, but that's not really important for now. Nice to hear there is more new Altis owner. Well come on board noman666 :p

welcome on board too

welcome on board too feins.

was wondering which branch were you talking about and how come they already have cars there? izzit in shah alam parking in the basement?

Its not at Shah Alam

Its on other state but sorry that i cant tell which as been instructed by the sales there. But i think all Toyota branches should have some pre buffer already only they place those cars at the back of the garrage for early bird so that they can do sales once the car is launch, Here the already sold a few just to wait for the final pricing to confirm for registration just like mine. I heard that MBB are giving the lowest int rate here for 2.43 i wonder how much the int rate there.

wakeup everyone...

Spend RM117K for the old engines!!! China market can get dual VVTi, why not south east asia? is it because S.E.A is second class market or store clearance? anyone know why?

My guess is that they know

My guess is that they know they can sell the old engines here and people will buy them. Not many people will be concerned about it. South East Asian car market is not very exciting, and it doesn't help that Toyota do this sort of thing. But this isn't new either. The "new" Vios retained the old engines too.

Probably the biggest reason is that S.E.A markets don't demand enough in the way of continual improvements in emissions, allowing engines to have a longer life.

Peter, hate to tell u this but...

Altis here seem to be getting higher quality plastic than in Thailand. they are exporting better quality product out just like Malaysia.

I have personally touched the plastic. The dashboard is soft to touch just like Camry's. while the Door top panels are soft. the bottom panels' plastic are so so, but still better than the new vios.

So what the manila bloggers reviewed is true...

Well, good for Malaysia

Well, good for Malaysia then! :-)